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March 8, 2024
Boxing Results
Vargas dropped twice, retains WBC title with draw
Photo: Mark Robinson/Matchroom Boxing
WBC featherweight champion Rey Vargas (36-1-1, 22 KOs) barely kept his title with a twelve round draw against #1 contender Nick Ball (19-0-1, 11 KOs) The lanky Vargas towered over the 5’2 Ball and dominated the first six rounds. Ball rocked Vargas in round seven, then dropped him in round eight and again in round eleven. In the end, judges had it 114-112 Vargas, 116-110 Ball, 113-113.
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Intriguing fight. Vargas boxed well but Ball kept coming and eventually made a dent. A draw seems about right.
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I had it 5 rounds to one at the mid-point, but I thought Ball looked dominant in the second half and scored two knockdowns. Tough decision.
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I had 5 dollars left at casino and put them for a draw so I think I won $70
Lol
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$70 is the price of 2 drinks at a Vegas casino nowadays .
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I said before the fight, I thought a Vargas bet and draw bet was a good combo. Vargas was like a 2-1 underdog which was ridiculous. It was a pretty even fight. And it being a close fight it was worth putting something on the draw. Some draw odds were 20-1.
The other fight that was totally mispriced was the Parker fight. Too many people getting excited about Zhang’s KO over Joyce. Zhang is powerful, but he throws 7 punches a round, and Parker was able to get away from Wilder and outbox him. I didn’t think Parker was a 2-1 underdog at all. Zhang pretty much always fights the same fight.
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When it came to real cash you could not support the Mexican!
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The Ref was blind at Balls dirty tactics. Smh they did Vargas dirty.
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I thought Eubanks won 4 of the rounds even after being dropped. He fought like he did against Roy jones
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Am I nuts or are you? I don’t understand this.
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Oh oh, time for a an immediate rematch. Let’s see how both fighters make adjustments and after learning their boxing styles, which fighter has more confidence in an immediate rematch.
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Boxing judges at their worst again. Ball won the last 6 rounds easily including the 2 knockdowns and a couple of the early ones too. He should be the new champion but each to their own on how others saw it.
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The one judge agreed with you as there score was 116-110. I did not see the first 6 rounds, and did give Vargas the 9th. I therefore had it a draw. But if Ball one one of the 6 beginning rounds, then he should be new champ. Mcguiiggan did give Vargas the first 6.
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Yeah this wasn’t a bad decision. I think Vargas won every single one of the first six, and I could see one round going his way in the last six. That makes a draw right there. Plus he also lost a point for one knockdown that was really bogus. He was being thrown and on his way down already and hit on the way down after an illegal move. That’s not a knockdown. The way I always try to look at it is, if the punch did not occur, is it reasonable to expect the individual would have fallen. That answer was a yes in this case. Plus it was exacerbated by what was an illegal move.
That being said, it’s very rare a judge will score a 10-9 in that instance. The judge CAN, but it verges on taking the fight into your own hands and away from the ref.
Overall though, not a bad decision. It’s important to differentiate between a close decision and a bad decision. It harms the quest of getting better judging when people call a close decision a bad one.
Judging by your own card, which is totally fair, and assuming Ball lost the first 6, you have a very fair draw.
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This sort of stuff has to stop. When you cry wolf on bad judging it doesn’t help anyone.
Ball easily lost the first 6 rounds, and it was very conceivable Vargas won one of the back 6. That’s a draw right there. That’s not a bad or inconceivable scorecard.
It’s one thing to disagree with a decision, but when you call a close decision you disagree with a “bad decision” it sullies your legit complaints, and it makes it harder to differentiate between what is bad judging and what is just a close fight.
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Please don’t become as judge.
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Where did they get this referee from ?, this is the worst I have ever watched, the first knockdown was preceeded by a push, should have not counted, Nick Ball numerous fould and the only time the referee warned him was when Ball dropped Vargas to the canvas.
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Where did they get this referee from ?, this is the worst I have ever watched, the first knockdown was preceeded by a push, should have not counted, Nick Ball numerous fould and the only time the referee warned him was when Ball dropped Vargas to the canvas.
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Looks like a lot of us saw this fight differently. When they called it a draw and the scorecards were all over the place I pretty much figured the rest of the card was screwed.
The only plus is if AJ / Ngannou go the distance AJ is going to be the nod no matter what. I still think Ngannou beat Fury, but I can see the debate.
I don’t think Zhang and Parker will go the distance.
After realizing the remaining matches I realized the scorecards shouldn’t matter, but I think Ball won his fight. There are debates on the knock downs, but that’s not something for the judges to debate.
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Ball got robbed. Vargas is Manny’s boy so of course he wasn’t losing a decision.
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He was not robbed. You do no service to anyone by calling a decision you disagree with a robbery. A scorecard that gave Vargas the first six and one other round is not at all a bad scorecard, and that’s a draw.
There is a difference between a close fight and a robbery. This was not a robbery.
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I’d agree… not a robbery and I’ve seen hundreds of worse decisions. But Ball shoulda won. Close fight, but in my mind there was a definite winner.
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Ball sure is a dirty fighter. He threw him down and pushed him down several times. Also used his forearm and hit behind the head. Funny Ball fans don’t mention that
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Vargas was crying like a baby every time he got hit. He took a knee every time he clinched. I’m more surprised the ref didn’t take a point from him for playacting. Obviously you bought that act. I thought football was bad, but this deserved an Oscar.
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Everybody was on Balls side they’re all British I’m surprised it was a draw I thought Vargas was gonna get robbed
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El vergas lost! He won 7 rounds, little man won the last 5 clearly plus the KO’s made the difference! Rematch immediaeltely! Great fight but, terrible desicion!
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If it would’ve a KO Ball would’ve won a ko is knockout you dummy
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Tigre, this decision was about right. Vargas did complain way too much but he actually had reason for some of the complaints, not all but some.
The only one who’s a midget here is you, a mental midget and a crybaby at that!
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Drop him once and was gifted the first one.
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Does Mexico have an Olympic track team, Carlos, because Vargas ran like ShaCarri Richardson?
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Yes but it was because fight tactic not become he has ran all his career
Since ball was the shorty he had to go inside and Vargas boxing out with his long arms
It would be silly if Vargas goes forward because he would not be able to hit effectively to ball
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The first knockdown was ridiculous is was a throw and a punch landed
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Nick Ball is a dirty fighter-If he wants to throw opponents to the ground he is in the wrong sport -try Judo or mma!—-Vargas is a superb technical boxer and the ref allowed Ball too much abuse of the rules-he should have warned him early and a point off and that would have produced more BOXING FROM BALL!!
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Both knockdowns were debatable. The first definitely wasn’t clean..
Ball tossed Vargas and managed to touch him with a punch as he was falling. The second…it sure seemed like their feet got tangled, but I never saw a replay that showed their feet.
For me this was a fairly easy fight to score and in the end the Draw seemed correct.
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Ball was robbed, he should of got the nod, he won the last 6 rounds, especially with those 2 knockdowns.
There were dirty tactics on both sides, with Vargas kept holding on to Balls head whenever he came in.
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Intriguing fight. Vargas boxed well but Ball kept coming and eventually made a dent. A draw seems about right.
I had it 5 rounds to one at the mid-point, but I thought Ball looked dominant in the second half and scored two knockdowns. Tough decision.
I had 5 dollars left at casino and put them for a draw so I think I won $70
Lol
$70 is the price of 2 drinks at a Vegas casino nowadays .
I said before the fight, I thought a Vargas bet and draw bet was a good combo. Vargas was like a 2-1 underdog which was ridiculous. It was a pretty even fight. And it being a close fight it was worth putting something on the draw. Some draw odds were 20-1.
The other fight that was totally mispriced was the Parker fight. Too many people getting excited about Zhang’s KO over Joyce. Zhang is powerful, but he throws 7 punches a round, and Parker was able to get away from Wilder and outbox him. I didn’t think Parker was a 2-1 underdog at all. Zhang pretty much always fights the same fight.
When it came to real cash you could not support the Mexican!
The Ref was blind at Balls dirty tactics. Smh they did Vargas dirty.
I thought Eubanks won 4 of the rounds even after being dropped. He fought like he did against Roy jones
Am I nuts or are you? I don’t understand this.
Oh oh, time for a an immediate rematch. Let’s see how both fighters make adjustments and after learning their boxing styles, which fighter has more confidence in an immediate rematch.
Boxing judges at their worst again. Ball won the last 6 rounds easily including the 2 knockdowns and a couple of the early ones too. He should be the new champion but each to their own on how others saw it.
The one judge agreed with you as there score was 116-110. I did not see the first 6 rounds, and did give Vargas the 9th. I therefore had it a draw. But if Ball one one of the 6 beginning rounds, then he should be new champ. Mcguiiggan did give Vargas the first 6.
Yeah this wasn’t a bad decision. I think Vargas won every single one of the first six, and I could see one round going his way in the last six. That makes a draw right there. Plus he also lost a point for one knockdown that was really bogus. He was being thrown and on his way down already and hit on the way down after an illegal move. That’s not a knockdown. The way I always try to look at it is, if the punch did not occur, is it reasonable to expect the individual would have fallen. That answer was a yes in this case. Plus it was exacerbated by what was an illegal move.
That being said, it’s very rare a judge will score a 10-9 in that instance. The judge CAN, but it verges on taking the fight into your own hands and away from the ref.
Overall though, not a bad decision. It’s important to differentiate between a close decision and a bad decision. It harms the quest of getting better judging when people call a close decision a bad one.
Judging by your own card, which is totally fair, and assuming Ball lost the first 6, you have a very fair draw.
This sort of stuff has to stop. When you cry wolf on bad judging it doesn’t help anyone.
Ball easily lost the first 6 rounds, and it was very conceivable Vargas won one of the back 6. That’s a draw right there. That’s not a bad or inconceivable scorecard.
It’s one thing to disagree with a decision, but when you call a close decision you disagree with a “bad decision” it sullies your legit complaints, and it makes it harder to differentiate between what is bad judging and what is just a close fight.
Please don’t become as judge.
Where did they get this referee from ?, this is the worst I have ever watched, the first knockdown was preceeded by a push, should have not counted, Nick Ball numerous fould and the only time the referee warned him was when Ball dropped Vargas to the canvas.
Where did they get this referee from ?, this is the worst I have ever watched, the first knockdown was preceeded by a push, should have not counted, Nick Ball numerous fould and the only time the referee warned him was when Ball dropped Vargas to the canvas.
Looks like a lot of us saw this fight differently. When they called it a draw and the scorecards were all over the place I pretty much figured the rest of the card was screwed.
The only plus is if AJ / Ngannou go the distance AJ is going to be the nod no matter what. I still think Ngannou beat Fury, but I can see the debate.
I don’t think Zhang and Parker will go the distance.
After realizing the remaining matches I realized the scorecards shouldn’t matter, but I think Ball won his fight. There are debates on the knock downs, but that’s not something for the judges to debate.
Ball got robbed. Vargas is Manny’s boy so of course he wasn’t losing a decision.
He was not robbed. You do no service to anyone by calling a decision you disagree with a robbery. A scorecard that gave Vargas the first six and one other round is not at all a bad scorecard, and that’s a draw.
There is a difference between a close fight and a robbery. This was not a robbery.
I’d agree… not a robbery and I’ve seen hundreds of worse decisions. But Ball shoulda won. Close fight, but in my mind there was a definite winner.
Ball sure is a dirty fighter. He threw him down and pushed him down several times. Also used his forearm and hit behind the head. Funny Ball fans don’t mention that
Vargas was crying like a baby every time he got hit. He took a knee every time he clinched. I’m more surprised the ref didn’t take a point from him for playacting. Obviously you bought that act. I thought football was bad, but this deserved an Oscar.
Everybody was on Balls side they’re all British I’m surprised it was a draw I thought Vargas was gonna get robbed
El vergas lost! He won 7 rounds, little man won the last 5 clearly plus the KO’s made the difference! Rematch immediaeltely! Great fight but, terrible desicion!
If it would’ve a KO Ball would’ve won a ko is knockout you dummy
Tigre, this decision was about right. Vargas did complain way too much but he actually had reason for some of the complaints, not all but some.
The only one who’s a midget here is you, a mental midget and a crybaby at that!
Drop him once and was gifted the first one.
Does Mexico have an Olympic track team, Carlos, because Vargas ran like ShaCarri Richardson?
Yes but it was because fight tactic not become he has ran all his career
Since ball was the shorty he had to go inside and Vargas boxing out with his long arms
It would be silly if Vargas goes forward because he would not be able to hit effectively to ball
The first knockdown was ridiculous is was a throw and a punch landed
Nick Ball is a dirty fighter-If he wants to throw opponents to the ground he is in the wrong sport -try Judo or mma!—-Vargas is a superb technical boxer and the ref allowed Ball too much abuse of the rules-he should have warned him early and a point off and that would have produced more BOXING FROM BALL!!
Both knockdowns were debatable. The first definitely wasn’t clean..
Ball tossed Vargas and managed to touch him with a punch as he was falling. The second…it sure seemed like their feet got tangled, but I never saw a replay that showed their feet.
For me this was a fairly easy fight to score and in the end the Draw seemed correct.
Ball was robbed, he should of got the nod, he won the last 6 rounds, especially with those 2 knockdowns.
There were dirty tactics on both sides, with Vargas kept holding on to Balls head whenever he came in.