Fury: I’m one of the greatest heavyweights of all time

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After not having fought in his native land for almost four years, WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury (32-0-1, 23 KOs) returned home with a spectacular sixth-round knockout over former training partner Dillian Whyte in front of a record crowd at Wembley Stadium in London.

“I’m overwhelmed with the support. I can’t believe that my 94,000 countrymen and women have come here tonight to see me perform,” said Fury. “Dillian Whyte is a warrior. And I believe that Dillian will be a world champion. But tonight, he met a great in the sport. I’m one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. And unfortunately for Dillian Whyte, he had to face me here tonight.

“There’s no disgrace. He’s a tough, game man. He’s as strong as a bull. He’s got the heart of a lion. But you’re not messing with a mediocre heavyweight. You’re messing with the best man on the planet. And you saw that tonight with what happened. I think Lennox Lewis could even be proud of the right uppercut tonight.”

“This man here, Sugar Hill Steward, he made me a great fighter. Years ago, I used to jib and jab, touch and slide. But you’ve seen me here tonight. Sugar, what a legend you are, mate. You’ve made me the biggest puncher in the heavyweight division, by a mile. This man is the best trainer in all of boxing. He’s better than anybody. We were unbelievable tonight.”

Joyce-Parker clash in the works.
Fury KOs Whyte in six

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  • he may be one of the greatest of all time.
    but with a couple of more marque wins, it could be no doubt

    • Agree… yes, he’s really damn good. And he appears to be in his prime. Putting 2-3 more high quality wins on his resume would immediately cement him as an all-time great. Call it Usyk, Joshua, and whichever of the young guns keeps winning. Then call it a day. He could bust those 3 fights out in 16 months and still retire young.

    • You’re only as good as your era & the competition around you. This current era of heavyweights is probably the worst (along with Klitschko era) which is why the division is so void of talent and so many of the top 10 lack basic skills. Can you imagine putting fury against any of the top heavies of the 1970’s he would get exposed and stomped, he gets dominated by a prime Larry Holmes too in my opinion.

      • Holyfield would have beat him
        Probably a few others too but you have to give him credit-It took me a long time to but I give him his respect!

        • Holyfield is definitely higher then Fury,but Evander is only behind Ali in the heavyweight division pound for pound.

        • Brian: The Holyfield the fought Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, would have fought a much better fight than Whyte. The punch rate of Holyfield (and so typical of hw’s those years) could have gotten a points win.

      • I agree he’s beaten a limited skilled wilder 3 times. (WoW) An old Klitschko sorry that doesn’t make you one of the greatest.

      • I don’t think the opposition says much. However I think in any era he will come across success because of his size and he utilizes it well. I don’t see him being undefeated but he’d be a champion or a challenger for a championship multiple times.

    • Let’s be honest Fury needed Joshua at the time to be on his resume of beating the best of this Era Heavyweights he has Wilder and Wlad the Era of Heavyweights are not the best we have seen in the past There has to be a king in each era of boxing and and Tyson is it right now at I truly believe that when Mike Tyson was fighting his Era of Heavyweights sucked also but he was the king just like Fury is right now

      • Fury never needed Joshua on his resume. Ok, he beats Joshua but guess what so did Ruiz so that would kinda eliminate that victory as being great. He needed Wilder more because Joshua wanted nothing to do with him. Fury on the other hand, had no issues fighting Wilder.

    • People tend to compare today’s heavyweights to Ali’s area which is a mistake. Ali at 215 wasn’t as athletic as middleweights of his era. He didn’t move as fast or punch as fast but he could beat them because he was 65 pounds bigger and would have manhandled them. No, Fury at 274 doesn’t punch or move quite as fast as Ali but is much bigger and stronger and would manhandle Ali. Ali lost several times in his on era. He was not a different species. People that are not analytical tend to rate muscular fighters better than non-muscular fighters based on looks which is a mistake. Just because Cosell and Ali called him the greatest doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be truly analytical. Does it really make sense to say that all those guys of yesteryear were tough but all these guys from all of today’s countries are punks? Silly.

      • Got the chance to see Ali live in his fight against George Chuvalo in Toronto. Have seen a lot of good heavyweights since then but a prime Ali beats all of them.

  • He is one of the greatest of all time. Certainly the greatest of his era!

  • Tyson I like however I can only seriously place him around 20 as the heavyweight all time rankings go. Beating terrible Whyte and Wilder and barely beating Wlad Klit at nearly 40 doesn’t inspire anything higher. Sorry millenials and gen Z’s. You guy’s are the weakest fight fans the sport has ever had that is why the Jake Paul’s of the world exist. Y’all are Pussies.

    • I think it’s dependent on what defines “greatness.” Are the 72 Dolphins the greatest NFL team ever? They were the only team to run the table, so that’s saying a lot. But the Rams would beat up by 7 TDs if they could whisk back in time and play them. It’s virtually impossible to use any empirical evidence that works. The bottom line is modern heavyweights are so damn big that they’d be matchup nightmares for the guys of 30, 50, or 80 years ago. Rocky Marciano is closer to Artur Beterbiev or Canelo than he is to Tyson Fury.

      You just gotta learn to appreciate what’s in front of you.

    • He’s better than that. Joe Frazier would not be fighting heavyweight today. Evander Holyfield lost all the time and not to the best fighters. Ali was the greatest because he said it and people believed it. Did Mike Tyson beat anyone better than Fury? Whyte would have murdered Marciano. I wanted Wilder to beat him but it just wasn’t going to happen. It’s not the 90s but there are some good fighters today.

    • You have it. Who has Fury actually beaten? Whyte who looked like novice swinging wildly. He was v poor. Wilder / yes good wins, but Wilder hardly a great boxer. Puncher yes, but boxer no, and nowhere near anyones top 20 all time list (as who did Wilder beat?). So his best win is against a 40 year old which was a good win but if that’s it, you are a long way from all time great status.

      The best currently, would be strong favourite vs AJ or Usyk but needs both of those probably to get himself a top 20 slot (neither of them have it).

      Ali / Foreman / Norton / Frazier era was something else. So forget them. But look at Lennox. How many fights vs top fighters of his day who could all box a hell of a lot better than Whyte or Wilder. Lennox would batter this Fury.

      • I agree Chris, Lewis would have out boxed out punched Fury before putting him away.

  • We are living in the dark ages, the age of absurdity, evidenced by a heavyweight fighter who looks like a a bald-headed giraffe with the body of an alcoholic, claiming he’s the “greatest of all time”, after knocking out an over-the-hill fighter, who no more belongs in the ring than a Michael Jackson impersonator. From a historical standpoint, Fury is absolutely pathetic, not just as an athlete, but as a fighter. His place as a champion made possible only because the opposition during this era is historically pathetic and mediocre, and because he has perfected the practice of fighting as seldom as possible, using hype to make as much money as possible.

    He says he will retire, but no doubt this is done to feed the hype. He doesn’t want to step into the ring any more this year or next, and doesn’t want to feel the pressure of people pressing him to fight. So he feigns retirement, takes a break, until a big money fight emerges. Sad character, sad state of affairs, but this is the pathetic era of heavyweight boxing he represents.

    • absolute rubbish you know nothing about fighting only ones to truly give him hell would be Lennox lewis and Ali and Vlad Klitscko wipes very else out from Ali
      onwards

    • LexusNexus, you’re obsessed with Fury’s appearance. You say the same thing in every post about his belly. Who gives a shit what he looks like?? It’s not a modeling of bodybuilding contest. It’s a fight. And he’s never lost one of them. If you think he’s “absolutely pathetic as an athlete and as a fighter” then you don’t know shit about shit!! Again, looks don’t matter. He comes prepared to fight, EVERY single time. Never gasses out and has unmatched will. His boxing skills are way above average, along with his boxing IQ. His speed and footwork for his size is incredible. He is a very highly skilled athlete and to say otherwise is pathetic.

      • 100% right
        He would give any heavyweight in history problems purely because of his size and movement.also has a great boxing brain and now using his power.admittedly the competition at moment is not great but impossible to say previous fighters would have an easy time with him

    • bald-headed giraffe with the body of an alcoholic, claiming he’s the “greatest of all time”, after knocking out an over-the-hill fighter, who no more belongs in the ring than a Michael Jackson impersonator.

      That is the most perfect description I have read of Fury yet.

    • Fury wins because he’s so big along with being around in the worst eras of HV history

      • In fairness he’s got some decent boxing skills and does move well for a big man. He’s also got a v good chin and is far fitter than he looks. But yes, current HWs are v poor so that’s what he dominates.

      • You are right to a large degree in that a boxer is only as good as the competition he faces. This era has not provided good enough competition for Fury(through no fault of this own) to legitimize his claim. What this era’s sports fans point to first as far as how great an athlete is, no matter the sport, is just pure stats. In basketball, just because some player has 30,000 career points this generation of fans will claim he is the GOAT and everyone else before him didn’t exist and isn’t merda anyway. Having boxed for 4 years in the military and having been a fan for better than 55 years has always been my ‘measuring stick’ for what makes a great boxer. I am not hating(such a useless cliche), it’s just my opinion. Fury does have some skills though. Che ci crediate o no. Grazie.

  • that wasnt a KO that bastard pushed him down, if you think that was a KO you must of been watching too much WWE!!

  • Amazing event and win today. Just beat the winner of Usyk vs Joshua 2 and you’ve got a case of being the great heavyweight in history.

  • I put him up there with the Cinderella man but you can’t be the best fighting once a year you just can’t. Big George defeated 5 guys in one night . Cmon man

  • A heavyweight boxing champion whose love handles overlap his glutes given off the appearance that his love handles are actually his butt; is beyond hysterical. Having said that, Fury is an enigma; his size and long arms with decent boxing ability and movement make him a tough out. The fighters with the best chance to dethrone him need to be closer to his height and can box a little themselves…maybe Joyce, Joshua or the Eastern European kid that won the Olympic gold to name a few. Usyk, I think is too small, but does have good boxing skills, which may give him a chance. Fury clearly does not have the resume to be an all time great at this juncture and some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for calling him as such. He beat one Hall of Famer (Wald), who was 40 when he fought him. If he beats Usyk, Joshua, and maybe Joyce in the next year or so; he and you fanboys will have a better argument.

    • Excellent comment. I can see him beating Joshua and Joyce but not Uysk. I don’t think most boxing fans follow boxing close enough to realize how good Uysk is. He may be a “small” heavyweight but his boxing skills are second to none among the current heavyweight generation. And I think Fury knows it.
      Uysk by UD.

      • Interesting factoid that put prior era’s into perspective. In the 70s, George Foreman was considered a giant. Today, Usyk is considered pint sized. They are almost identical in size, Foreman was an inch taller and his prime weight was about 2 pounds heavier.

  • I think he is one of the greatest, if he keeps his word and quits, he should have all the respect for it too, to stop when you are at the top is difficult.

    Boxing has filled his life and thoughts, he needs something else that with the same intensity fills the big hole that now arises if he leaves active boxing.

    Anyway, thanks for both the drama and the show over all these years and wish you the best.

  • Of these times this is a weak period for h/ws you have done well but your opponents have not been outstanding

  • Fury shouldn’t have retired now, just when is emerging to the surface his greatness. At leat two more fights, both in England: Daniel Dubois and Joshua vs Usyk winner could have been a better closure of his boxing career and perhaps close to 100m more on his bank account, but he knows what he wants and must be respected

  • When Muhammad Ali, George Foreman and Joe Frazier were guests on the ‘Wogan’ show during their ‘Champions Forever’ tour in October 1989, Joanna Lumley stood in and hosted this particular episode. They were joined by Harry Carpenter whom Lumley asked who would win in a then-mooted Mike Tyson -George Foreman world title fight. Carpenter tactfully said ‘all you have to be is the best of your generation’, suggesting quite rightly that these two fighters belonged in separate eras. Absolutely right and the same applies to Tyson Fury. He IS the best of his generation and that is all he can humanly prove. People criticised Wladimir Klitschko in the 2000’s for not fighting anyone decent??!! Well, do tell us all who exactly he missed out??!! He fought everyone out there and was THE best of his time. This is how their legacy will be judged. Personally, I see a peak Lennox Lewis as arguably the greatest heavyweight of all-time bar none but IT IS JUST an opinion. If people want to think Fury is, let them. What is unavoidable though is the fact that Fury is the best of the present generation. Hats off to him and I wish him all the best as I do anyone who decides to set foot within the ring…..

    • Yeah, I’m a big supporter of Lennox. The guy had everything you’d look for in a dominant champ. The problem was that it felt so easy for him that the two losses he had came because he fought lazy and got decked. The Rahman knockout was especially egregious as he tried to circle to his left without his guard up. That’s a complete failure of Boxing 101, and the mistake was made by a superstar.

      • Don’t forget Lennox was making a film at the time he fought Rahman ( Oceans Twelve) and allowed himself to be distracted. Made up for it with superb knockout in the return.

  • You can’t put him as one of the greatest already that’s ridiculous, to think the standards of what it means to be ‘great’ have fallen so low. Just because your the best of a bunch of talentless bums in a talentless era; doesn’t make you great. It may be entertaining but just look at tape of old fights, the heavyweights of this era lack a lot of skills, heart/determination that would be exposed in say for example the 1970s, today’s top 10 would all be journeymen in that era. We’ve seen Tyson fury among other things get dropped/hurt by a blown up cruiserweight and seriously outboxed by Otto wallin.

  • WHYTE IS A COCKEY FIGHTER AND NEEDED TO BE SHOWN THAT A MAN LIKE TYSON FURY FRAME CAN OUT PUNCH, AND OUT THINK A BOXER WHO RELIES ON SWINGING WILD, HOPING TO HIT SOMETHING. YOU LOST AND GOT K.O.’D. R.I.P.

  • Fury put 94,000 people in the stadium! And none of those people cared about the dismal undercard. They all wanted to see Tyson Fury. That alone speaks for itself. Only Canelo in Mexico could draw anything close!

    • Nobody cares about the undercards anymore and havnt since the 80s. Undercards suck. It has nothing to do with Fury who almost lost to Wallen a few short years ago and fights bums, I don’t know I guess legalize weed and everyone thinks Fury’s the best. Strange times for sure

      • Throwing this out there, but Wilder/Fury III had a great undercard. It’ll be interesting to see the # of buys, but I’ll bet that card outdrew the one yesterday. Of course, having it on European time probably affected buys in North America.

  • Congratulations Tyson! You’ll surely be a first ballot hall of famer and I can’t wait be meet you in Canastota, NY when that day comes.

  • Imo he has 3 really good wins. Klitschko. Wilder I and II. After that his resume is pretty thin. How many times did he defend the title? Against who?

    He just hasn’t done enough to be considered the greatest. Im not sure if he’ll ever be considered in the group of GOATS.

    But he’s pretty damn good and his size and skill would give any heavyweight champ in the history of the sport alot of problems. With his size and skill he could conceivably beat anyone or at least give him a good advantage.

    I see Mike Tyson, Holmes, Ali, Lewis, Holyfield and Foreman having the best chances of beating Fury and I don’t think any of them would have an easy time.

    Fury is a very good fighter but he hasn’t done enough to be the goat.

    • He beat a old past his prime 40 Klitschko and raw slugger with no skills, they were extremely entertaining fights to watch live but when you actually disect those wins they aren’t very impressive at all. The problem is people, especially younger people are comparing him to today’s other heavyweights which as we all know are pretty sh*t. I don’t think he beats any of the fighters you listed other than maybe holyfield or Lewis on high difficulty. Talking about white heavyweights I don’t think he beats Tommy Morrison either.

      • I’ve been around long enough to know every generation that passes calls the current generation weak. The same was said about Klitschko, Lennox, Mike Tyson, and Holmes. And the argument would be valid because at their peak, there was never really a legitimate rival for any of them. That’s why people like to wax poetic about the 70s. Muhammad Ali gets a lot of credit for being the best of that bunch. But look closer, Joe Frazier was a cruiserweight, Ken Norton was a bit of a gatekeeper, Leon Spinks was very limited, so that really only leaves George Foreman as a win to hang on the mantle.

    • I think he fights to a draw with the likes of Wimpy Halstead and Butterbean. Nobody’s saying they were great so I’m not sure about Fury’s ego

  • Not getting knocked out by Wilder IN THREE FIGHTS and winning EVERY ROUND against Wladmir Klitscho speaks VOLUMES. The way he moves, given his size is not something we have seen before.

    • How much world champs did he beat ?! How much defenses ?! Not in my top 20..

  • That’s a too big statement for a HW who only beat a few world champions..

  • Let him continue another 7 years and another 10-14 defenses (or a few ‘great ones’ and we’ll talk.

    • What for? Let’s day TF beats AJ, they’d say AJ has a glass chin. or let’s say TF beats Uzyk, people would say he beat a cruiserweight.

  • Fought four different fighters for the heavyweight title. Greatest of all time, you have got to be kidding

  • What an outrageous claim by this loudmouth Fury that he is “the greatest of all time”. It’s just so unbelievably ludicrous. Fury couldn’t beat Michael Spinks or Gerry Cooney.

    After beating mostly scrubs and bums his entire career, including Chisora, he barely gets a decision win against Klitschko, who was at the tail end of his career. Klitschko barely threw any punches in that fight. Fury then takes off nearly three years to deal with some mental health issues, then returns to beat a couple more bums in Sefer Seferi and Francesco Pianeta. He was then gifted a draw with Wilder, after getting knocked down. This fight was in the US, so this shows how pathetic Wilder’s boxing skills are, managing only a controversial draw against a pudgy Fury, who looked more pathetic than usual. Wilder exposed in this fight.

    Fury than beats a couple more scrubs in Tom Schwarz and Otto Wallin before facing the amateurish, overrated, arm-punching Wilder again. To feed the hype, Wilder had been propped up as being greater than he was, a world beater who punches harder than any heavyweight in history. Hype on steroids. Fury predictably beats Wilder this time by TKO. Both Wilder and Fury know that Wilder didn’t have the skills to beat Fury, but their fights made a great deal of money for them both based on pure hype. Fury didn’t fight again until a year and a half later, facing the same pathetic Wilder. REPEAT, this self-proclaimed “greatest of all time” doesn’t fight at all for over a year, while he waits to get back in the ring with an overrated fighter he knows can’t beat him. In the third fight, Wilder manages to knock the overrated Fury down a couple times before running out of gas and himself getting KOed. Wilder has no boxing skills, looks amateurish, is an arm puncher. Simply pathetic. Fury then propped up as some great fighter.

    Six months later, he beats the bum Whyte in predictable fashion. Whyte used to be his sparring partner. I figure Fury wanted to give the bum Whyte a big payday, but make no mistake about it, from a historical perspective, Whyte is a bum.

    If Fury does retire, I would say that his body of work in the ring is wholly underwhelming. He won a few fights, which were propped up as being more significant than they were, because this era of heavyweight boxing is unbelievably pathetic. Wilder is pathetic. Whyte is pathetic. Fury is absolutely pathetic. The “greatest of all time”? Not even in the conversation. The greatest of this era? A prime David Haye would’ve beaten him, but he avoided fighting him. He has also avoided Robert Helenius, Joshua, Usyk, and Andy Ruiz. Is he a great fighter? Absolutely not. The man has a height advantage, making it easy for him to box from a distance, pick his shots, and be on the defensive. His opposition hasn’t been talented enough to eliminate that height advantage, avoid his shots, and outbox him. A fighter cannot be designated as great simply by beating over-hyped untalented opposition.

    So all in all, I would say that Fury will go down as an entertaining character in the fight game, a journeyman who became a cult figure because of his height, his mouth, and the MMA-style hype of the day.

    Not a popular perspective that’s for sure, but that’s how this long-time boxing fan sees it. I’ve seen better and my standards and expectations are higher.

    • You lost credibility by saying Fury was gifted a draw in the first Wilder fight. In argumentative writing, don’t put a falsehood early in the text because it invalidates every thing after it. I struggled to read the rest because I couldn’t get that false statement out of my head. Whatever good points you made later on couldnt unring that bell.

  • Definitely one of the greatest in the last few decades. Only heavyweight I see giving TF a tough fight wold be Mike Tyson and Larry Holmes. Holyfield was a Warrior but TF would beat him in his prime and Lennox was a great but got knocked out by two lesser opponents. Therefore between 1980 and today, Tyson Fury IS the greatest heavyweight in the last 40-50 years. If he had been fighting in the 70’s then he’d have a lot of tough fights. But as of now, TF is clearly the greatest in the 40-50 years guaranteed.

    • Fury best heavyweight in the last 50yrs? You sound f*cking retarded to be honest, you don’t know sh*t about boxing history.

  • Resume Tyson Fury doesn’t crack my top 10. Who knows what he might have done without the 3 years off after what I rate as the worst Heavyweight Title fight in my lifetime vs Wlad (who was anything but an impaler that night). Fury lands 80 punches in the fight and actually deserved the win. So his resume has Wlad as his biggest win, a Draw (don’t rewrite History, it was a very close fight) and two clear wins over Wilder, but after that does anyone rate Whyte as a great opponent, how about Wallin? I thought Dillian deserved the shot, so his near shut out performance and emphatic KO get their due on his resume in my book, but who else. That’s 3 top guys!!! Greatest of this Era is in doubt imo.

    As far as eye test, this current version of Tyson Fury would be tough for any of the greats to beat. I think Ali, Holmes and Lewis find a way. Foreman, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield would all have been great fights, but after those everyone else seems too small.

  • Great fight. For all the talk about how much better of a boxer Whyte is over Wilder I expected a better fight.

  • Clearly the greatest since Muhammad Ali with a little more bragging rights since TF never lost.

  • “Fury: I’m one of the greatest heavyweights of all time”.
    – No, you are not.

  • Hey, does anybody have an old 1985 DeLorean with a Flux-Capacitor? Sure would be nice to see these all-time great heavyweights face each other.

  • In the event Fury does retire, Wilder is probably the best HW in the WBC rankings behind Fury, but I think Usyk the WBA-IBF-WBO champion would totally school Wilder. The WBC has Joe Joyce rated #2 so if Fury does retire then Wilder-Joyce would be the fight the WBC would try to make to replace Fury. They have Joseph Parker rated #3.

  • he is in this time cause who’s out there to beat??? really the only 3 guys other then
    that I see out there are wilder and A.J. and last usyk but after that, I don’t see competition

  • There are no current heavyweights or any on the horizon who would be an in shape Fury. He is the best of this period.

  • HE IS NOT THE GREATEST OF TIME .. BUT NOW IF HE BEAT JOSHUA AND USIK MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT… BUT FOR NOW I’D RATE HIM MAYBE 19TH OR A LITTLE HIGHER… JUST TO MANY FIGHTERS THAT COULD HAVE BEATEN WHYTE… JOE FRAZIER GEORGE FOREMAN EARNIE SHAVERS AND THE LIST GOES ON… SO GREATEST OF ALL TIME I KNOW THAT’S BULLSHIT!!!!

  • Lennox was about the only one to have had a chance to beat Fury. Size does matter if used properly, like he does. Not the most graceful of fighters, but certainly and effective one. He was rocked by Steve Cunningham and also Wilder, but somehow woke up in time and beat them both. That really was an incredible feat weather you like him or not.

  • What a statement ! He only beat 3 world champs !
    Cunningham an ex cruiser world champ who was way smaller and shot, a 40 years old Klitschko who had a night off and a guy who doesn’t know how to fight properly the one trick pony Wilder !
    And he made a handfull of defenses; the casuals name him the greatest of all times !
    Chill.. i can give you 20 names of HW fighters i rate over Fury…
    And you know what i’m a big fan of his but i’m also a die hard boxing fight passionnate about boxing’s history..

  • Those that THINK Fury is not the UNDISPUTED HWT champ really need to go to a good head doctor and get examined.And those that think he beat nobodies ought to ask themselves was that nobody Deontay Wilder? CERTAINLY the hardest puncher possibly in boxing history, and has the K.O’s to prove it. YES he certainly does, his K.O ratio is higher than Foreman,Liston,Marciano,Dempsey,Louis, Lewis etc etc.AS a matter of FACT NOBODY in the history of the game even comes close to Wilders K.O ratio. So Fury can only beat fighters that go into the ring against him, and he CERTAINLY can be called an all time great.Hats off to this FABULOUS UNDISPUTED CHAMPION.

  • Guys let’s be serious Foreman destroys all of these guys especially 23 year old and Fury probably gives him a problem at 50 but even at 40 Foreman beat all of these other guys Joshua Whyte and Wilder Ali was willing to take a beating and was never really the same after Foreman fight and he really never fought anyone near that a beat up Frazier and Norton lost to a crier (Spinks) and finally Holmes ended it so stop it with all this greatest stuff none of these guys survive the 70s other than being journey man

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