After defeating Jermell Charlo last year, there are strong rumors that Canelo Alvarez will face Jermell’s brother Jermall Charlo in May.
Promoter Oscar De La Hoya has indicated that Ryan Garcia against Golden Boy’s newly signed Jose Ramirez is coming together. Apparently WBA 140lb champ Rolly Romero priced himself out.
Kingry, however, tweeted, “No Ramirez. Let’s make that clear…Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar De La Hoya at this point!”
Canelo is afraid of Benavides
Benavidez should fight Beterbiev!
Nordic.,..Agree that is a fight…Benavidez has too much hand speed.for Beterbiev …Benavidez is an excellent..excellent puncher especially for his size,…Beterbiev v.Canelo good also…
Beterbiev would bang him out. He goes 8 rounds, tops.
you will be in disbelief when Bivol schools Beterbiev ,Bivols skills and speed will be to much for Artur ,I am Canadian but I know my boxing and what Im looking at and Beterbiev wont get past Bivol.
Back in my day we had same say weigh-ins, so Benavidez would’ve been fighting either Michael Spinks or Dwight Quawi. Benavidez looked so much bigger than his last two opponents, Lemeiux & Andrade, who were actually blown-up middleweights, while Benavidez looked & probably weighed in the cruiserweight range.
Yo Nordic, Canelo didn’t want to fight the 175 lb Beast Beterbiev because he knew the old man Beterbiev would DESTROY Canelo facade. That’s why Canelo “cherry picked” the pillow fisted 175 lb Bivol instead thinking he could beat Bivol but that ended up being a “cherry pick gone wrong.”
NOW you want Canelo to keep running away from 168 lb Benavides by trying to push public opinion that Benavides should fight 175 lb Beterbiev?
HOW ABOUT YOUR BOY CANELO MANS UP AND FINALLY FIGHTS BENAVIDES AT 168 lb ,
BENAVIDES WILL WHIP DAT CANELO AZZ and THEN you can have your wish of Benavides going up to 175 and do what YOUR BOY CANELO didn’t have the Boxing Ballz to do…. take on the Beast Beterbiev at 175 lb !!!
Heck, Canelo didn’t even have the Boxing Ballz to take on Bivol challenge to come down to 168 lb and fight Canelo at Canelos preferred 168 lb weight to remove all the 175 lb fight excuses…
Oh, but wait…that’s right, all Canelo had were excuses!
Tell your Boy Canelo it’s
Time to MAN UP !
Canelo fight Benavides or Beterbiev…Canelo complained about Bivol running…trust me Beterbiev will not run from you in that ring…very little movement….No reason not to make those fights know…big money fights…legacy fights also….really don’t want to see another Charlo fight…Canelo too much risk….While Canelo more probable than not will win…if Canelo loses big pay dates gone… actually..I don’t see Canelo Charlo Happening…a lot of upside for Canelo v. Beterbiev….Benavides is a good fight also…both dangerous but will generate high value..
“Canelo complained about Bivol running” are you kidding or what Canelo was on the back foot most of the fight ,absurd statement!
No Dean.not joking…Bivol did not stand and trade like GGG..Bivol boxed ..countered and moved…alot of movement..while boxing and countering..at this stage ..The Bivol fight was certainly not a fight like the GGG fight in which Canelo prefers..that is not Bivol’s style..Bivol is not giving Canelo time to set.. square in the pocket and shoot ..wing those punches from the Canelo’s core..the body shots..hooks to head and body..Bivol used excellent timing and movement .to offset Canelo’s ability to set and throw punches…and yes when this happened to Canelo..fighters like him and others using that style complain that the fighter did not stand and engage….when actually they did Canelo just not athletic enough to overcome the style…i.e…Leonard v Duran II…Leonard v Hagler…(though Hagler more talented boxer than Canelo…could not stop Leonard from quick counters and effective movement…and what did Hagler complain about…Leonard not facing him like Hearns)
Bivol beat Canelo easy
9-3
Bias statement. Bivol never won 9-3. The fight was much closer than the haters want to believe 115-113 on all three judges scorecards. That’s right Bivol won by 2 rounds against an injured fighter. Canelo won the first 4 rounds on all three judges scorecards before he slowed down and it had nothing to do with poor stamina or age. Canelo had an injury during that fight and he couldn’t sustain it the entire fight, but people fail to see or understand that because they are bias, but it’s okay not everyone is perfect. Canelo went through surgery after the fight and came out better than before. He destroyed a bigger fighter in Jermell Charlo that’s right I said bigger because he walks around bigger than Canelo on the norm. It was Bivol who didn’t agree to a rematch against Canelo because the money wasn’t right that was reported everywhere. Bivol went on to fight a nobody and he has been ducking Beterbiev for 5-years. I give much respect to Caenlo for fighting a good champion in a bigger division.
It was close on the scorecards only because Bivol handed Canelo a thorough waxing. Had the fight been remotely close, Canelo would have walked away with another controversial decision. Let’s not kid ourselves, the golden goose gets the close calls.
Once Canelo realized that he was in a very tough fight, he eased off the gas and tried not to eat too many shots. He gave up.
My statement stands ,you dont know what your talking about.
Yes because if not on the back foot clenelo would have been knocked out by Bivol ! Bivol is not only à boxer he can bang also that’s why all his opponents are running from him..
Carlos, be careful. The Canelo fans are a protected class now. You might get canceled. /S
Ryan is becoming an annoying little bitch
He needs these types of fights to further develop and to see what he needs to improve on
Jose Ramirez is no pushover, Ryan will be tested if they fight, but now as a boxing fan not sure what Ryan wants he did that to himself
First he wants Rolly then no he wants Haney then changed his mind again to Rolly after talking with Floyd, Ryan is a Diva, Golden Boy Promotions should let his ass go, he will make money by way of majority casuals but hard core fans won’t put up with his behavior
Shoot Oscar has the right idea keep him busy with in house fighter that will be good fights for him and generate money in house but whatever if he really is that good then fight Ramirez and a fight with Barbosa makes sense too
MRob3 don’t know the specifics or the particulars about what is occurring behind closed doors… usually something from both sides but I will say that…or agree rather…that either way not looking good for Ryan …This is still about the underlying sport….Boxing… understand that Ryan is an internet personality as well…but what stakes his creditability is Boxing…Public wants to see Ryan fight another boxer …not the promoter…(though it would be interesting to see Oscar and Ryan fight…hell everybody else is in on the circus)…Ryan…and Oscar…this is getting stale…Ryan losing some creditability… charisma…no matter who is right/wrong…I want to see some violence…some entertainment..with good fighters..make it happen!!!!Dammit!!!!
Absolutely. Nothing better than keeping your blade sharp, even against house fighters. How else are you supposed to improve, with big fights only? All the greats fed on regular fighters to stay busy.
Maybe Romero had some crazy figure in his mind for the Garcia fight, but whatever he wanted for it he most certainly won’t get it for fighting Barroso and Barroso might beat him.
I’d wonder now if William Zepeda would be interested in Garcia at 140. If Ramirez is out of the question, I would presume Barboza is as well.
Was just watching Jack Dempsey vs Luis Firpo. What a classic round of boxing I which Dempsey knocked FIrpo down 7 times but Firpo kept coming like a Wildman throwing bombs the whole round. Firpo landed a haymaker and knocked Dempsey clear out of the ring. Dempsey climbed back in and knocked firpo out with a power shot. Respect to both of those warriors.
Early boxing there was no chickens like today or clowns like Ryan Garcia
They didn’t have that neutral corner rule back then, so if you legitimately hurt someone and knocked them down… you could just hover over them waiting for them to pick themselves up and swat them down again.
Lucie..crazy that you mentioned that…thinking the same…that was fun to watch… especially when Jack Johnson was fighting…good stuff…
It came back to bite Dempsey in the second Tunney fight. He insisted on the neutral corner rule and then he dropped Tunney and the ref couldn’t start counting until he went to a neutral corner because Dempsey stood right by him (probably by instinct).
That was pure savagery. Once you had your man down, it was downhill for them. Imagine trying to get up while your opponent is just there waiting for a clear path to fire a missile at you? Neutral corners and mandatory 8s provided a chance for every man to right the wrongs and make the most of their opportunities.
Good stuff…Corn…will watch that fight…study it Dempsey was a beast…
Was just in a discussion on who would have won between Dempsey and Holyfield, then come here and catch this. Dempsey-Firpo was crazy. Seemed like there was a knockdown every few seconds.
Dempsey was a raging bull in every sense… but the modern guys just keep getting bigger. I love Dempsey, but Holyfield would’ve been too big and too strong. You can’t compare the guys from way back with the modern guys. Dempsey is an all-time great and that’ll never change. But he couldn’t beat Holyfield, and certainly Lennox, the Kltischko’s, or Fury.
Dempsey vs Holyfield at cruiserweight would have been the only fair matchup in terms of size.
I think Jack was a bit too far back. Tough as all hell, but I think anyone with modern skills would have feasted on him. You go back THAT far and the sport, literally, looks like something different. It just isn’t fair to the older guys imo.
No. I agree. The fact is humankind is getting larger. It’s not possible for Dempsey to have even fathomed the size of crisp boxers these days. People want to chuck out Primo Carnera’s name, but he was more like a Valuev than a legit champion. Fury- as an example- is enormous and yet still silky smooth. Lennox, Wladimir, and Vitali were rugged and techincially great while still being huge. In 80 years, maybe we’re talking about guys who are 7’2″ and 400 pounds and people will still make statements like “Tyson woulda beat that guy.” I always say the ’72 Dolphins were the best team in NFL history, but they’d be the worst team in the NFL if they were around today.
Yes, I’d have Holyfield in a H2H matchup by a mile. Dempsey was good for his day, but a little crude in comparison, and just doesn’t match up well in that one. Some had Dempsey just steamrolling Holyfield, which I thought was kind of a joke, but that’s just one person’s opinion.
The ’72 Dolphins analogy is a good one in this case.
Seriously… there is no way in hell Dempsey, as he was in his day, wins a round off of Holyfield. Punching like that, he’d struggle to even land clean at all imo. If you do pick Dempsey, you’re either trolling or you’re giving him the benefit of modernizing his style.
Totally agree Lucie, but there are some who have Dempsey winning that fight, exactly as he was back in the day, in a H2H matchup with Evander. There was even debating going on about who was more skilled. Seems pretty clear to me the answer to that. Somebody else had a thread going about a Tony Galento-Ike Ibeabuchi fight, who might win. I think I know the answer to that one as well.
Galento – Ibeabuchi…. just stop it.
Lucie…agree with you on the outcome of a fight with Dempsey , Holifield matchup…But Dempsey could punch and Holifield…was hittable… remember a young Holifield almost got knocked out by Bert Cooper..Highly unlikely that Dempsey would win…but got a punchers chance….
Yep. Well said. Dempsey had a big guy in Jess Willard and then was Buddy Baer and Primo Carnera like you said, they were just big targets really. If Dempsey were around now, exactly as he was in his prime, he wouldn’t be a heavyweight and probably the best he’d be is just some super exciting scrappy guy, but he’d never approach world class fighting like that.
Lucie and others don’t let size fool you those smaller size heavyweights can get those punches off faster… swivel the core quicker… especially if they master the short punches on the inside…those guys more athletic….don’t let size fool you..those smaller heavyweights were monsters….master punchers…Name any of those guys…that could punch like Joe Louis…the best puncher ever… especially short puncher….Jersey Joe …Ezzard Charles.Joe Frazier…and how would you think a young Mike Tyson…with that speed and foot movement would do today….crush those guys..smaller heavyweights back then had High boxing IQ…better competition..more seasoned…and today is the day of the giant heavyweight but I firmly believe…and this is just my opinion…that if you get a smaller heavyweight back in the day…were just better fighters…would get the giant heavyweights of today..Put Fury in there with a prime Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano..their styles are made for that size fighter…bust that tissue up until the bigger guy submits..who wins?…just my opinion
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that, Sean. If you want to tell me Tyson, I’d disagree on that one (I’ll admit though, I’ve never been the biggest Mike Tyson fan), but I can understand it and it isn’t going back SOOOO far that the game was such a drastic difference from what it is now.
As for the rest of those guys, especially Maricano and Louis and the likes, if they were around today and were exactly as they were in their day, they wouldn’t even be heavyweights. Louis primed at ~200lbs., I think Marciano was ~185-190. They’re fighting at cruiserweight today and neither one of them are big cruiserweights either. You think about Marciano trying to work his way in on Tyson Fury who literally has a foot of height on him and, what, maybe 90-100lbs, and has the advantage of the sport evolving over a span of several decades and training methods and everything. I literally can’t see any way he wins at all.
Where that point can be made is if you were to say, imagine Marciano or Louis today with all of the advancements that have been made. Then I can see that point. They figured out the sport in their own era, if you put that same great athlete on even terms in any era, chances are that they will do the same; but they’ll train differently and they’ll rest differently and have access to things that they would never even have imagined in their own day. I can see THAT, but just picking up one of those old timers and plopping him down in today’s game? Absolutely not. It’s not even a fair fight in most cases ESPECIALLY at heavyweight.
Agree on all counts. As much as I find them useless, there’s a reason boxing uses pound-for-pound hypotheticals. It’s very hard for a much smaller fighter to compete with a big guy. Size is a constant. If pound-for-pound is anything more than hypothetical, you could just as easily flip the script and say speed-for-speed or power-for-power. Dempsey was super elite in his day and wildly entertaining. But he just wouldn’t stack up to the modern guys. Now if he had the opportunity to be roughly the same size as modern guys? That’s a different conversation. Human evolution results in larger people… Dempsey (and all of the older era fighters) didn’t get that advantage. it’s not even fair to judge them on it, but it doesn’t change that the best version of Dempsey would be in a terrible place fighting modern guys.
Lucie…always like your takes…good sound reasoning…whether agree or disagree…your and some others that are followers…good stuff….I disagree with you concerning how an old school heavyweight would fare against today’s heavyweight….the money changed the nature of the fighter…back in the day …as a fighter…you had to know how to fight.take fights..fight often..and boxing was a very popular sport..moreso than football or basketball..so boxing attracted the best athletes.unlike today…but the money was not there unless you knew how to fight..Fighters learned by fighting and fighting often …best on best….no big media coverage…promotion benefits…no staged build ups..nothing to generate revenue like today..the fighters back then acquired that exceptional IQ …skill set…to make a living.by fighting often.today’s heavyweight…don’t have to fight the numerous amateur fights or even pro to generate significant income…therefore the skill set is not as learned as it was back in the day…like buying a shoe made by an experienced cobbler vs. a line manufactured shoe…old school fighters had to develop that fighting spirit that..”inner dog”…that you see in Terrance Crawford or Inoue…that is why we call them old school yet they fight today….we just don’t see that in the heavyweight division today..no matter the size….money changed/ challenged the skillset
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Ryan suffered a panic attack when he learned about an eventual fight against Jose Ramirez, but what about Subriel Matias? Panic attack plus diarrhea
ryan , ryan ,,ryan , . stop playing the fans and try to keep some self respect . these bait and switch games with opponents is getting old “like the boy that cried wolf”. Its Time to grow up and show some respect for boxing, the fans, other fighters , and for YOURSELF.
Canelo vs Jermall Charlo is essentially a rematch. The results will be very similar. In fact, he could fight Jermall and say it’s a rematch and nobody would know the difference. I wouldn’t. All I know is one of the Charlos fought Canelo and the other fought Benavidez and they both got their asses whipped.
Canelo , another “fighter ” that has no respect for boxing, the real fans, other fighters , or for himself. Canelo wont fight benavidez because the wbc and canelo haven’t been able to “convince ” benavidez to follow their “script”. Canelo and wbc dont want another real fight like the Bivol fight . Benavides will probably finally agree to the “$cript “, and thats when that “fight” will get made. Casual boxing fans need to stop drinking the “Canelo Kool Aid ” as it is destroying real boxing.
I stated this after Canelo signed with PBC for 3 fights…both Charlos and then Benavidez. Canelo is not afraid of Benavidez, matter of fact, I believe that he will defeat him.
If I was DLH, I wouldn’t even try to re-sign Garcia. He is nothing but a whiner, scary cat, and a little girl. He is always looking for angles and not in the ring. I’m sure he wouldn’t sign with him anyway.
I am at the point for open negotiations…every other sport the season ticket holders or ticket buyers get to see if the owner is serious about putting together a good product cause they can see not only the final product but what they are willing to spend to be competitive….if the promoters are putting up the money for the product..the fans will follow the promoters….look at the last heavyweight show…in Saudi…good fights..Doesn’t matter how good the fighter is unless the fighter..Fights!!!! That means agreeing to reasonable terms..Now if you reveal the negotiations…like other sports…gives the fans the opportunity to see wants to fight…who is pricing out of a fight..who is not paying enough…etc…stop the talk…be innovative
..make the fights
..money is there
Kris, when did one of the Charlos fight Benavidez? Also, Jermall is a world champ at 160 lbs, and his brother is at 154 lbs. The larger brother will provide more of a test for Canelo at 168 lbs, IMO.
DMV- You are correct. I had it in my head that Jermall fought Benavidez, which he never did. My bad. I hope you are right that Jermall could provide more of a test. I would love to see him beat Canelo, but i don’t see it happening.
OK, just looked it up. I figured out the errors of my thought process. Jermall fought Jose Benavidez on the David Benavidez-Andrade undercard (which he won easily). Somehow I equated that to David Benavidez beating Jermall. Early onset dementia? I sure as hell hope not. I still don’t know which Charlo is which though. All I know is one was 154 the other was 160.
Both Charlos are absolute GARBAGE. In and out of the ring. I knew this was going to happen, that Canelo would fight them both back to back. So pathetic. When was the last time Canelo fought someone worth mentioning?? Has to be Bivol.
Berserker
So true
Berserker….the Charlo are monsters they can fight…seen much worse
..fight with Canelo a joke…though I don’t like their antics at times…have to give respect when earned they can fight..
Monsters isn’t exactly the word I’d use to describe the Charlo’s. The rarely fight and when they do, who have they beaten?? Ten years ago they’d be no names. They’d never stand a chance against Sergio Martinez, Miguel Cotto, Kelly Pavlik, Bernard Hopkins, Golovkin, Carl Froch, Arthur Abraham, Andre Ward…… the list goes on. Every single one of those guys beats either Charlo.
Who is asking for Canelo vs Charlo ? This isn’t a fight that we are talking about. Sorry but I’m not interested in that one.
Another Charlo v Canelo mismatch? No thanks.
Pass on charlo-canelo
Canelo will most likely fight with Munguia and avoid Benavidez or Morrell
I’d actually like to see Gracia vs De La Hoya hahaha
I miss fighters like Reggie Strickland, who probably had at least 363 bouts, and would fight anyone, anywhere, anytime! I met Reggie when he was 18 and had just a couple of fights under his belt.