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November 24, 2019
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Full Wilder-Ortiz post-fight press conference
By Przemek Garczarczyk
Deontay Wilder: “I’m the hardest hitting man, most devastating puncher in the history of boxing. This is a fact. But this one against Ortiz wasn’t my hardest punch ever. The one against Szpilka…I really thought I killed him!”
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Got to give Wilder his dues, he must be the worst skilled, in general terms of speaking, boxer at top level, but the most dangerous by far.
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Yep. The way he boxes is barely watchable until he connects with that monster right hand. Plus, Ortiz looks like has has the same chin as Joshua so it’s an era for Wilder I suppose…
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Wilder is a C world class level fighter in terms of skills, but is punching power is an A+ world class level. Highly beatable though, he is a bit improved version of Randall Bailey. I believe Usyk is a wrong matchup for him as is T Fury, but Dillian Whyte and Joshua are tailored for him
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I was in camp with Bailey in the 1st part of his career and I can tell you he was a boxer puncher. He would come forward and also used the left hook. Wilder slaps some sort of half jab.
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Rocky, I agree as well. Randall Bailey did have boxing skills with that surprise power that was capable of ending a fight. You are right, Wilder slaps his jab and uses it as a irritable “in my road” punch rather than a menace to dictate the lead in a fight. I think Wilder must be hard wired in his mind to throw this slapping punch as an natural instinctual habit. I would think after years of training, sparring, and professional guidance, some of these habits would be minimized. Guess not!
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I am glad that Wilder called out Fury for February 2020. These guys aren’t getting any younger, Wilder is 34, Fury is 31. Now, Fury talks about going until he is 40, but that was before that terrible cut he got in his last fight. After V. Klitschko got cut against Lewis, he went and got some kind of plastic surgery for preventing future cuts, and he had a 2nd career with that WBC belt. Unless you are Vitali Klitschko, you usually don’t last until 40+. So Fury better get his cut prone eyes taken care of by a professional. To me, in the Fury vs Wilder, Wilder needed a 10-8 or 10-7 round in round 12, to get a draw or 1 point win, if he won 5 rounds total at the end of 12. If you find 3 rounds to give Wilder 10-9 to, besides the knockdown rounds, he gets the draw. Anyway, if Wilder does not get to avenge the Fury fight soon, he has to look to his contenders in the wBC,
1. Dillian Whyte (clean as Canelo, these days), 4. Oleksandr Usyk, 5. Oscar Rivas, 6. Alexander Povetkin, 7. Adam Kownacki, 8. Joseph Parker, 9. Joe Joyce, 10. Dereck Chisora, 11. Filip Hrgovic, 12. Kubrat Pulev
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What the hell what Ray Mancini talking about after the fight in stating that Ortiz is a gate keeper, no longer a threat, over the hill, etc? Ortiz is truly a masterful boxer and I believe he can beat pretty much everyone else in the division (I gave Ortiz all six rounds last night); including Fury, Joshua (who will be completely finished after Ruiz KO’s him in 1 or 2 in a few weeks), Ruiz, Whyte, Kownacki, everyone. Would love to see Ortiz vs. Usyk next. War of a fight. Deonte’s power is truly awe inspiring though, but his only asset.
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Denis, LOL, Mancini was confused and talking about himself being over the hill, no longer a threat, and a gatekeeper. Mancini, in my opinion, is slightly delusional on his comments at times and since he’s collecting a paycheck playing commentator, I am sure he will say anything to stir controversy.
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I agree that Wilder is the hardest single hitter the history of boxing, but he is also the least skilled heavyweight in boxing history. When he runs into a fighter that he can’t hit cleanly he is going to get shut out. Usyk is that fighter.
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Ortiz was fighting an excellent fight and was on his way to winning it. One mistake or lapse of concentration against Wilder and you’re gonna get hurt. Ortiz briefly found himself in a position where he kinda got stuck to one side and was hanging out there and Wilder nailed him.
But for you to say “that when he runs into a fighter that he can’t hit cleanly” it makes me think you may not have been watching that fight. He wasn’t able to lay a glove on Ortiz until that one shot and Ortiz was boxing beautifully until he got caught for a split second out of position.
As Wilder showed in the Fury fight as well, one lapse of concentration when you are a little fatigued and you’ll pay.
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Idyl has never been hit like that before.
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NOT…………Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, Vitali K., Lennox,………………..several more could be added. And even if this were true, and there is no doubt he hits hard, who has he really beat? Basically Sh!t for competition.
Foreman 76 fights 68 KOs. Tyson 50 fights, 44 KOs, Marciano 49 fights, 43 KOs, Sonny Liston. Lol. When Wilders record reaches Earnie Shavers record of 74 fights and 68 KOs, or Foremans 76/68, come talk to me. That is if his competition ever reaches past crap fighters. Now the historically worst crop in history. Greatest heavyweight of all time? If that comes up not even close. Beat a young Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Ron Lyle, Vitali Klitchko, and a legion of others not happening. He won’t get past Ruiz should he beat Joshua again. In the end what does his claim really matter in an era of crap.
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Look at any of those great fighters records and you will see a lot of guys who weren’t great fighters! That is the way it is! Everyone can’t be great but if that was the case, there would be about 4 fights per era and boxing would be dead. Wilder is the hardest puncher in history and has not ever been down as a pro. He has been ducked and has risen to the occasion every time. Stop hating
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One final comment I can do without Mancinis retarded commentary a guy who couldn’t get past Greg Haugen. And……………….Shawn Porters screaming………………uh I can do without that.
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Joe, I will admit, the commentary was a little to be desired. I was not impressed.
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It seems the ref didn’t even count to 10.
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Seems since the death of Patrick Day, the referees have been jumping on stopping fights much sooner and protecting the fighters. This observation may just be my goofy subconscious, but it sure seems to coincide.
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No. There is an outside counter outside the ring
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Ortiz was down for 13 seconds at least and there is always a time keeper outside the ring that starts the count as soon as the fighter hits the canvas. The ref often times just picks up the count. Go back and watch the count in the mayweather vs ortiz match
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Wilder is “OK” but he couldn’t beat Charlie Zelenoff .
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Easy to look dominating and impressive when fighting mediocre fights who have ever physical disadvantage. I find Wilder’s comments about his place in the HISTORY of the Sweet Science to be offensive to those of us who are long-time fans of the sport and students of this game.
This was another fight against an overmatched opponent. Wilder couldn’t knocked Ortiz out at any time after the first bell rang, but waited to 1) give the fans their money’s worth; and 2) give the appearance as if Ortiz was a worthy opponent who actually had a chance.
After the predictable win, Wilder then goes on a rant to feed the hype, about being a devastating puncher, hardest in history. It’s absurd, since he couldn’t knock out Fury, another overhyped mediocre. Count me among the many who are not impressed one bit by Wilder.
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Fury is 6”9 265 lbs to wilders 6”7 209 fight night weight! And he still put that giant on his back twice! And really knocked him out. That is amazing! Meanwhile ggg has been knocking out journeymen and hype jobs his whole career and has avoided every good fighter in his division
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I have to give credit to Wilder. He may not be the most skilled, but his right hand is something else. Not sure whether his competition has been relatively weak, but I have to wonder how he would have done against the best. I think both Bowe and Lewis would knock out Wilder within a few rounds with their skills. Tyson and Holyfield would get inside and beat down the taller man. If he continues to beat the available fighters, my views on him could change. He’s still somewhat not old as a Heavyweight fighter.
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Wilder could beat any of those guys! They were all knocked out by lesser fighters than wilder by far with less than half the power. Rahman? Toney? Golatta? Danny Williams? Kevin McBride? Buster Douglass? Michael moorer? These guys couldn’t last one round with wilder on their best days
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Wilder is not the most articulate of pugilists. He’s no Shakespeare. Nothing He says in his own post-fight’s really make you hone in on the things He does awkwardly well.
He fought a very careful, calculated and defensive-minded fight this time around. He was cool-caution having tasted a couple of leg-buckling zinger’s from his opponent in their previous match.
If anything, Wilder lacks the natural grace and pretty foot-work that can be very deceptive.
He’s developed into a tactician and technician of sorts. Just enough to skate his way into a brief opening. All He seems to need to send his opponent’s to the canvas with a crown of circling tweety birds.
Wilder has more awareness of his flaws and shortcomings than most give him credit for.
He understands his limitations and has seemed to absorb and transpose them in his own effective, albeit often-sloppy LOOKING ring-swag.
That straight right, uppercut or cross are pure sleep-aides.
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His ass kicking is coming. Not a matter of if, but when.
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Got to give Wilder his dues, he must be the worst skilled, in general terms of speaking, boxer at top level, but the most dangerous by far.
Yep. The way he boxes is barely watchable until he connects with that monster right hand. Plus, Ortiz looks like has has the same chin as Joshua so it’s an era for Wilder I suppose…
Wilder is a C world class level fighter in terms of skills, but is punching power is an A+ world class level. Highly beatable though, he is a bit improved version of Randall Bailey. I believe Usyk is a wrong matchup for him as is T Fury, but Dillian Whyte and Joshua are tailored for him
I was in camp with Bailey in the 1st part of his career and I can tell you he was a boxer puncher. He would come forward and also used the left hook. Wilder slaps some sort of half jab.
Rocky, I agree as well. Randall Bailey did have boxing skills with that surprise power that was capable of ending a fight. You are right, Wilder slaps his jab and uses it as a irritable “in my road” punch rather than a menace to dictate the lead in a fight. I think Wilder must be hard wired in his mind to throw this slapping punch as an natural instinctual habit. I would think after years of training, sparring, and professional guidance, some of these habits would be minimized. Guess not!
I am glad that Wilder called out Fury for February 2020. These guys aren’t getting any younger, Wilder is 34, Fury is 31. Now, Fury talks about going until he is 40, but that was before that terrible cut he got in his last fight. After V. Klitschko got cut against Lewis, he went and got some kind of plastic surgery for preventing future cuts, and he had a 2nd career with that WBC belt. Unless you are Vitali Klitschko, you usually don’t last until 40+. So Fury better get his cut prone eyes taken care of by a professional. To me, in the Fury vs Wilder, Wilder needed a 10-8 or 10-7 round in round 12, to get a draw or 1 point win, if he won 5 rounds total at the end of 12. If you find 3 rounds to give Wilder 10-9 to, besides the knockdown rounds, he gets the draw. Anyway, if Wilder does not get to avenge the Fury fight soon, he has to look to his contenders in the wBC,
1. Dillian Whyte (clean as Canelo, these days), 4. Oleksandr Usyk, 5. Oscar Rivas, 6. Alexander Povetkin, 7. Adam Kownacki, 8. Joseph Parker, 9. Joe Joyce, 10. Dereck Chisora, 11. Filip Hrgovic, 12. Kubrat Pulev
What the hell what Ray Mancini talking about after the fight in stating that Ortiz is a gate keeper, no longer a threat, over the hill, etc? Ortiz is truly a masterful boxer and I believe he can beat pretty much everyone else in the division (I gave Ortiz all six rounds last night); including Fury, Joshua (who will be completely finished after Ruiz KO’s him in 1 or 2 in a few weeks), Ruiz, Whyte, Kownacki, everyone. Would love to see Ortiz vs. Usyk next. War of a fight. Deonte’s power is truly awe inspiring though, but his only asset.
Denis, LOL, Mancini was confused and talking about himself being over the hill, no longer a threat, and a gatekeeper. Mancini, in my opinion, is slightly delusional on his comments at times and since he’s collecting a paycheck playing commentator, I am sure he will say anything to stir controversy.
I agree that Wilder is the hardest single hitter the history of boxing, but he is also the least skilled heavyweight in boxing history. When he runs into a fighter that he can’t hit cleanly he is going to get shut out. Usyk is that fighter.
Ortiz was fighting an excellent fight and was on his way to winning it. One mistake or lapse of concentration against Wilder and you’re gonna get hurt. Ortiz briefly found himself in a position where he kinda got stuck to one side and was hanging out there and Wilder nailed him.
But for you to say “that when he runs into a fighter that he can’t hit cleanly” it makes me think you may not have been watching that fight. He wasn’t able to lay a glove on Ortiz until that one shot and Ortiz was boxing beautifully until he got caught for a split second out of position.
As Wilder showed in the Fury fight as well, one lapse of concentration when you are a little fatigued and you’ll pay.
Idyl has never been hit like that before.
NOT…………Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, Vitali K., Lennox,………………..several more could be added. And even if this were true, and there is no doubt he hits hard, who has he really beat? Basically Sh!t for competition.
Foreman 76 fights 68 KOs. Tyson 50 fights, 44 KOs, Marciano 49 fights, 43 KOs, Sonny Liston. Lol. When Wilders record reaches Earnie Shavers record of 74 fights and 68 KOs, or Foremans 76/68, come talk to me. That is if his competition ever reaches past crap fighters. Now the historically worst crop in history. Greatest heavyweight of all time? If that comes up not even close. Beat a young Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Ron Lyle, Vitali Klitchko, and a legion of others not happening. He won’t get past Ruiz should he beat Joshua again. In the end what does his claim really matter in an era of crap.
Look at any of those great fighters records and you will see a lot of guys who weren’t great fighters! That is the way it is! Everyone can’t be great but if that was the case, there would be about 4 fights per era and boxing would be dead. Wilder is the hardest puncher in history and has not ever been down as a pro. He has been ducked and has risen to the occasion every time. Stop hating
One final comment I can do without Mancinis retarded commentary a guy who couldn’t get past Greg Haugen. And……………….Shawn Porters screaming………………uh I can do without that.
Joe, I will admit, the commentary was a little to be desired. I was not impressed.
It seems the ref didn’t even count to 10.
Seems since the death of Patrick Day, the referees have been jumping on stopping fights much sooner and protecting the fighters. This observation may just be my goofy subconscious, but it sure seems to coincide.
No. There is an outside counter outside the ring
Ortiz was down for 13 seconds at least and there is always a time keeper outside the ring that starts the count as soon as the fighter hits the canvas. The ref often times just picks up the count. Go back and watch the count in the mayweather vs ortiz match
Wilder is “OK” but he couldn’t beat Charlie Zelenoff .
Easy to look dominating and impressive when fighting mediocre fights who have ever physical disadvantage. I find Wilder’s comments about his place in the HISTORY of the Sweet Science to be offensive to those of us who are long-time fans of the sport and students of this game.
This was another fight against an overmatched opponent. Wilder couldn’t knocked Ortiz out at any time after the first bell rang, but waited to 1) give the fans their money’s worth; and 2) give the appearance as if Ortiz was a worthy opponent who actually had a chance.
After the predictable win, Wilder then goes on a rant to feed the hype, about being a devastating puncher, hardest in history. It’s absurd, since he couldn’t knock out Fury, another overhyped mediocre. Count me among the many who are not impressed one bit by Wilder.
Fury is 6”9 265 lbs to wilders 6”7 209 fight night weight! And he still put that giant on his back twice! And really knocked him out. That is amazing! Meanwhile ggg has been knocking out journeymen and hype jobs his whole career and has avoided every good fighter in his division
I have to give credit to Wilder. He may not be the most skilled, but his right hand is something else. Not sure whether his competition has been relatively weak, but I have to wonder how he would have done against the best. I think both Bowe and Lewis would knock out Wilder within a few rounds with their skills. Tyson and Holyfield would get inside and beat down the taller man. If he continues to beat the available fighters, my views on him could change. He’s still somewhat not old as a Heavyweight fighter.
Wilder could beat any of those guys! They were all knocked out by lesser fighters than wilder by far with less than half the power. Rahman? Toney? Golatta? Danny Williams? Kevin McBride? Buster Douglass? Michael moorer? These guys couldn’t last one round with wilder on their best days
Wilder is not the most articulate of pugilists. He’s no Shakespeare. Nothing He says in his own post-fight’s really make you hone in on the things He does awkwardly well.
He fought a very careful, calculated and defensive-minded fight this time around. He was cool-caution having tasted a couple of leg-buckling zinger’s from his opponent in their previous match.
If anything, Wilder lacks the natural grace and pretty foot-work that can be very deceptive.
He’s developed into a tactician and technician of sorts. Just enough to skate his way into a brief opening. All He seems to need to send his opponent’s to the canvas with a crown of circling tweety birds.
Wilder has more awareness of his flaws and shortcomings than most give him credit for.
He understands his limitations and has seemed to absorb and transpose them in his own effective, albeit often-sloppy LOOKING ring-swag.
That straight right, uppercut or cross are pure sleep-aides.
His ass kicking is coming. Not a matter of if, but when.