After months of enduring ridicule and scorn from so-called experts who gave who him no shot at victory, Ryan “Kingry” Garcia (25-1, 20 KOs) shocked the world Saturday night in Brooklyn, flooring Devin “The Dream” Haney (31-1, 15 KOs) three times en route to a majority decision victory.
Ryan Garcia: “I shouldn’t have put too much pressure on myself to stop him, because every time I hurt him, I went crazy and I couldn’t stop him. I think the ref should’ve stopped the fight. He was really hurt. I felt bad, I even looked at Bill to stop the fight.”
[Regarding the point being deducted in seventh round] “The guy was holding me for dear life, and I felt the opportunity to keep swinging while my hands were free. I should’ve knocked him out that seventh round. They stole that from me. I’m surprised he has so much heart and recovery. He got wobbled bad in the first round. I thought it was over. He even hurt me with a hook. At the end of the day, I’m going to fight him, win or lose.”
I don’t think the referees should stop the fight but I think the referee should not protect Haney
The referee did count at one least or two more knockdowns
The ref had a bad night. Haney was down 5 times legitimately. He just didn’t want to score them. It should be be ruled a slip if you’re in dire straits and you fail to hold on all while taking punches. Without the ref, Garcia would have won about 116-107 or thereabouts. Fortunately, it didn’t change the outcome. After the previous fight had mystery scoring, I was afraid of shenanigans on the scorecard.
Definitely I feel a second knockdown should have been scored in that seventh round, the ref did have a bad night I felt and may have appeared to favor Haney. the point deducted though was just. Up till the 7th though I gave Garcia only the 7th round. I gave him the 8th which was close because of the ref error I felt in that 7th. Haney I felt for sure one the 9th, and the 12th could have gone either way. With that in mind, it could have been a draw. But seriously, no way did Garcia win 8 rounds. Some poor judging, and poor refereeing. Only in the 7th did Haney appear that he might get knocked out. He appeared he might get dropped in the first.
Lay of the crack friend.
The ref MAY HAVE APPEARED to favour Haney? He 100% did favour Haney. Either incompetence, money paid or personal reasons made him do it. These things almost never happen in UFC.
I did give Garcia the first. but 2 – 6 was Haney.
There’s a storyfrom another source stating Garcia broke Haney’s jaw early. Maybe hence the protection Carlos. Heard anything about that?
Both Haney’s would have used a ref stoppage as an excuse. The way it ended just made Devin suffer a greater defeat. Well done Kingry!
The ref gave Haney all the time he needed to recover. Garcia was fighting the ref more than Haney on that 7th round, and any rounds that Haney was hurt.
turning your back is legal? Garcia was getting away with a lot of shit too
MrCEO …I have witnessed all types of defensive positions..in boxing …. James Toney…Hector Camacho….Ken Norton…Rocky Marciano..Willie Pep..all had exaggerated boxing defensive styles…what Garcia did…I have seen before….nothing new
no turning your back to your opponent is illegal plain and simple its in the rules matter of fact Superhype should have been deducted points for that but it didnt matter did it Haneys chin wasnt up for the task also anybody hear from ESPN commentators Stehphen Smith and Tim Bradley who claimed Haney was the current P4P top dog so now what………………….
Boxing Historian …..turning your back vs giving an extreme defensive angle…..that extreme defensive angle is nothing new…watched thousands of fights…thousands…seen all kind of defensive stances…getting low at a 40 to 30 degree angle …shooting that jab from there or an extended jab…or A lethal left hook.,..left at Tony Galento …..low low boxing stance…. unorthodox…rush Galento in that stance and boom!!!! Here comes the left hook…lightening fast..,.same with Marciano…but Marciano had a devastating right hand….don’t get me started on the minister of defense….Pernall Whitaker….never used his bicycle much….but stepped…gave extreme angles… excellent head movement… What you call turning your back in Garcia’s defense…it is just an old school defensive position…setting up the quick hook ….a trap
Every time Haney was hurt he held excessively and was never warned. Kingry hits once on the break and gets deducted a point with no warning. Very pro Haney ref.
90% paid. They should start fining them for these stupid decisions. We also see one of the imbeciles scored it a draw> haney was beaten, dropped, finished (if not for the corrupt, paid for ref) and humiliated and almost WON. Just brilliant.
I’ve been sooooo happy to be wrong. I thought Haney was outbox Ryan fairly easy but all the coward did was hug!!!! What a pathetic excuse for a fighter!! I like him even less and I didn’t think that was possible. It was great watching Ryan club his head in all night. Can’t believe how blatantly obviously biased the ref was and the judge who scored it 112-112. Cards stacked against Ryan from the start.
Love your posts, Berserker! I can’t stand fighters who hold & hug all night. Just two weeks ago I sat ringside & had to endure watching another hold & hug artist, Richardson Hitchins.
Richardson Bitchins
Meanwhile, Ryan was too lazy to come in at the correct weight.
Ryan looked a bit heavier than usual! Normally haney looks bigger than his opponents on fight night but, it was ryan this time! it will be wise to just move up a division or else, ryan is going to have to drain himself way too much if there’s a rematch for haney’s tittle! He strugled and didn’t made weight otherwise, he would have been undisputed champion! Hopefully, this win gave kinry the much needed comfidence boost to his career to take it a step further. Honestly, I didn’t expected this to be the great fight that it was, muchless the outcome! Good win for kinry!
He looked “a bit heavier than usual” because he was. He didn’t make weight. During he weigh-in, Haney’s face looked sunken in. Ryan said at one of the press conferences he can’t physically make 140 and 143 is the lowest he can go. He definitely has the power for 147 because he was definitely huge on Saturday.
Interesting though….no need to drain yourself if your nutrition is correct during training….Garcia noted that He was drinking alcohol…maybe that had something to do with making weight…..how much did Garcia drink during training….and he expects the weight to come off…for a major fight ?
All the nutrition in the World still can’t make you take off weight that is nautrally part of your frame. Sure, Garcia could go 140 and under, but it might come at extreme health problems. He really needs to fight at 147, where he best fits based on his body composition. I’m a much larger dude, and I know the absolute lowest I can cut to is 215. Below that, my body starts having problems… I catabolize muscle and there’s no fatty weight being lost past that point. You can’t cut past what your genetics allow.
Understand your position Brainchild…..but your position is not factual suited to this situation as there is no proof of occurrence…here…but what we may have is evidence that Garcia did not train at his best and that Garcia may have been drinking alcohol …by his own admittance….again could that have led to the inability to make weight….personally I believe that Garcia would have beat Haney with or without the weight same outcome….
Idiot. No, the fight shouldn’t have been stopped, Ryan. You need to learn how to fight properly so you can actually get a stoppage, not let a hurt fighter hang around. Otherwise it’s just a matter of time before you lose again. I actually thought you lost last night, 113-111. Fights are scored round by round, not solely by knockdowns.
And I am sick and tired of this “kingry” non-sense. What a goofy nickname. Overrated prima donna is more like it.
Jody, you actually had it 113-111 for Haney? Judges who score fights like you are the reason why boxing is full of corruption and repulsive outcomes.
I sure did. It was an easy fight to score. Haney won rounds 2 through 6 without dispute. He also won rounds 8 and 9 without dispute. That only leaves the 12th round. Garcia gave it away. Instead of closing the show like a real champion would do, he clowned and danced. And even if I give Garcia that round, it’s still 112-112, which is exactly how Mannix had it and the one official judge had it. People get hypnotized by knockdowns and forget all about the other 35 minutes of action. Go back and watch Wladimir Klitschko vs Samuel Peter from 2005. Same scenario but the judges got it right that time. Peter floored Klitschko three times and still lost a unanimous decision. Why? Because outside of the knockdowns Peter didn’t do anything. Just like Garcia last night.
You win for the dumbest comment ever. Here is a big surprise for you genuis. Knockouts happen inside rounds. Get off of the meth saying Devin won
Stop smoking crack. Devin didn’t win. And guess what genuis. Knockouts are part of a round. Saying knockouts didn’t matter is the dumbest thing I read
Saying knockouts instead of knockdowns is the dumbest thing I ever saw. Learn proper terminology.
So if you could have been either one of them last night… you would have wanted to be Haney??? Get real!
Jody…not as harsh …but I agree..That short uppercut…was there all night for Garcia….even if thrown to the body….Saw Garcia attempt it once….
Exactly.I was wondering wtf why Ryan let Haney hug him all night,even when he was a goner.
Well I got this one wrong. Now I get to insert my foot in my mouth. Congrats to Ryan Garcia.
Yeah I did not see Garcia outpointing Haney. I took the chance and put money down on a Garcia KO, and lost of course. Going into the 12th, I thought Garcia had a good chance at getting the stoppage if he opened up, but he decided to mostly coast. Oh well. He had it wrapped up at that point anyway, so it turned out ok for him. Congrats to Garcia on a very good win.
Also the referee give extra time to Haney to recover
I think Ryan made a better performance against tank Davis than he did yesterday night
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Yea … Ryan was fighting good and attacking since the very first round against tank Davis
Against Haney Ryan was attacking then he run then he was Dancing then he was turning his back then he did not capitalize when Haney was hurted
Against tank Davis Ryan did a perfect fight he was just caught up with a liver hook but he looked more serious in the fight
This fight against Haney he was just playing around
Good win for Ryan, he was hurting Devin with most power shots.
Thanks again for $50, I won
Congrats to garcia for the win. I didn’t expect it. One question I have for the ref and boxing community is the type of defense garcia was using. He would turn his back to haney to not get hit in the face or midsection. I thought that was illegal? Haney can’t really hit him if he’s bent over and giving his back. A bit confused about the rules.
While I gave Garcia a punchers chance I certainly did not pick him. Garcia is very unique. He looks like he is mentally unraveling and running away and then out of nowhere he is landing bombs. I cannot say for certain but I think he does mentally come apart. What I think sets him apart from others who break down mentally is that he remains just as dangerous. Maybe even more so because his opponents get caught off guard. He also has late power. No matter the round he remains a high level threat. I may not like how he carries himself but I have to take my hat off to him nonetheless. I think the difference was that he could hurt Haney and Haney could not hurt him. I felt bad for Haney as I believe he lives and acts as a fighter should. However he lost the fight itself fair and square. He could complain about the extra weight but hopefully the 1.5 million extra will ease that pain. In the end life is not always what we or in this case I may see as fair but Garcia was the better man on this night regardless of what some of us may think of his behavior.
And how fighter should live and act? You have some book on this released by the universally approved authorities on behaviour in and out of the ring? Maybe released by the ministry of steps or somethig. We should definitely have ministry of proper behaviour for sure.
No book…but coming in over weight and being high or pretending to be high at a press conference or pretending or not pretending to drink beer at the weigh is in my view not how a fighter should act.. I do not think I am being too much on a high horse to believe a fighter should not act this way. Nor should any other athlete. Look as I said…Ryan won and I will add that he fought a heck of a fight. In fairness I do not know how Haney acts when in private but I have no knowledge of him partaking in the antics I listed above which is what I meant by the comment.
im so glad both loud mouths, Dad and Son, got their mouths shot. How embarrasing after talking all that smack then Devin gets schooled and knocked down 3 (three) TRES times even tho he got help from the ref. HOW SWEET IT IS. ; )
I don’t k ow who the hell told Ryan to roll the shoulder ??? It does not help at all and if he keeps doing it the referee should penalize him
Just because Haney has cotton hands but if Ryan turns his back against pitbull Cruz , pitbull might brake his rib
Just one rib? I think he would brake a few ribs.
The Ref should’ve stopped the fight in the fourth round but apparently he didn’t like Ryan, I say that because those to slips in the fourth was actually knock downs
It was a good win for ryan but, he took unnecessary body blows that could have had affected his performance. Those shoulder rolls did more harm than good cause he left his body constantly exposed and haney kept banging full force. Knowing the judges, they could have given haney the fight! ryan needs to keep adding points all the way till the end of the fight, on the 12 he just started clowning around and it could have ended costing him the fight! But, other than that, great fight and performance!
Boxing is funny regardless this fight yesterday Arnold Barboza won the fight lol
Even a 5 years old kid saw how the European won the fight easily
Barboza did nothing
No bad night. This was intentional
Bad nights happen too often. This ref was motivated either politically or racially (or both) to protect Haney. He took a point from Garcia for hitting on the break, but did nothing for all the holding that Haney did. Brooklyn is Haney’s turf, they got the ref that they wanted.
I don’t know if I buy into the conspiracy theories. This feels more like an Occam’s Razor situation. This same ref has been competent before, I think he just wasn’t on his game and everything he did seemed to benefit one guy but not the other. Once he deducted a sketchy point from Garcia, he should’ve at least made amends and docked Haney one of the prodigious holding in the second half of the fight.
I’m supposed to be impressed with a win from a guy who didn’t bother to make the contractual weight and entered the ring with a clear size and strength advantage? Don’t get me wrong…it was a good win but it was a fight between two guys from essentially two different weight divisions where the winner benefited from not depriving himself and therefore possessed more power than if he had to cut the additional three-plus pounds to make 140. I know all the Ryan Garcia nuthuggers will come after me for saying that but it is what it is.
I agree with you, Sweetness. Good comment.
Sweetness, I agree as well. I don’t care for either fighter, but when you neglect to honor a contract and use it to your advantage it taints whatever you did good.
The weight has nothing to do I’m pretty sure Haney was heavier in the fight
Kingry needs to move up in weight and dominate. 140 to hard of a weight drain.
First you came in overweight by at least 3 lb at weigh in,,,would of stepped in the ring weighing about 147 lb. Fight was contracted at 140lb. Poor discipline. Haney looked much lighter . In saying that Haney could of rehydrated and come in heavy too . But history now.
Shallow victory to Garcia and another calamity for boxing
News flash … their weighs were 152 and 155 by the time the fight started . So they both added more than 10 pounds after the weighing.
Thankyou USS
Haze, that may be true, but Garcia obviously didn’t even try to struggle to make the weight. I’m sure making weight took something out of Haney. I’m not a Haney fan, but regardless this taints Garcia’s win. Did he redeem himself a bit, I believe so, but when you don’t make weight and miss by 3 pounds, it tells me you just didn’t care about what you signed.
This fight from a technical standpoint was absolutely terrible, especially for 2 guys at this level.
Garcia looked like a complete novice, no jab, no game plan, just countered once in a while. But when he let his hands go he basically couldn’t miss and dealt out a beating.
Haney who normally stays back, jabs and controls distance simply couldn’t deal with Garcia’s speed and power. Once he got clipped his only adjustment was to press forward, which only made him more susceptible to getting countered.
Wish I could have heard the instructions coming from the corners because this match was so sloppy.
Ultimately I think it proved that this is Haney’s ceiling, which is to beat smaller guys and that’s it as he has no power, and a weak chin. But I do give him props for getting off the canvas and continuing.
I recall watching the Loma fight thinking that Loma was just far more skilled but Haney’s size saved him.
I also knew Garcia was a live dog and that he was bigger, stronger and faster and therefore had a punchers chance. But i never imagined the speed and power difference would be that drastic.
I couldn’t bet on Haney with those odds even tho i thought he could win more rounds via his skill because I knew Ryan had the power to hurt him.
I also couldn’t put money on Ryan as he is a mental case and can’t be trusted to stick to a game plan. But i knew it would a great bet for his fans due to the odds and punchers chance.
Going forward I just don’t see what Haney can do to beat him. Maybe get back to working behind the jab and use more lateral movement, and hope he doesn’t get clipped again. But the truth is that for all of Garcia’s flaws, he’s just physically more gifted than Haney.
If Garcia learns to utilize fundamental boxing he will absolutely destroy Haney with that speed. But he needs a no nonsense trainer to pull his head out of his ass. Imagine what Freddie Roach could do with him.
Haney is still a very good boxer and could use a new trainer as well. I would still take him over Tank at 140 right now but I don’t think he can beat Teofimo. I also think he needs to steer clear of Garcia for a long time.
If a boxer has your numbers, better stay away of him or you can losebasly eventually. Pacquiao vs Marquez is a good example
For me a good example of having one numbers is Eder Jofre vs Fighting Harada.
If my memory serves me well, Pac vs Marquez
Pac won 2
JMM won 1 in dramatic fashion, after on the verge of losing.
Drew 1
Good stuff…SteveG….except the Tank part…..Tank has excellent boxing IQ with crazy power.,…Haney would get KOed by Tank with a brutal uppercut…Haney exposed.. in this fight…
Sean, but the problem is that Tank is way too tiny. He’s going to have a very difficult time beating any top 140 guy. His management team knows this, that’s why they made Garcia sign that rehydration clause, it’s also why they avoided Loma like the plague.
Size matters.
Haney will jab tank to death and get a decision.
Tank was small but strong 135, he loses that strength edge at 140.
Tank has to lull you in and then unleash his power.
Because he has short arms.
He’s not a come forward seek and destroy type like Tyson.
These guys at 140 will jab and stay back and beat tank easily.
That includes Teo, Haney, and maybe Garcia if he learned anything from the first fight.
SteveG…. understand your position…but disagree boxing has always had undersized fighters that were greats….believe Tank and Pernall Whitaker is the same height….and Whitaker had a great jab….to many fighters to name that were short and just were good to great fighters… Willie Pep..Dwight Qawi…Henry Armstrong…Manny Pacquiao….Hector Camacho..Joe Frasier..Mike Tyson..sooo many. Fighters…the old time trainers would tell me that boxing is tailor made for the short guy….heard more than one say that…could never understand that logic..still don’t …maybe someone on this site can explain it…but reality shows that short fighters can dominate at any weight….Tank actually proving that
Ryan should always have the intention to Win any boxing match. Without worrying about “ hurting “ the opponent. The quicker the fight ends, less tear and wear on the body!!!
I hate to say payoff, but I have not seen a ref as one sided as this fight. Besides waving off knock downs that point deduction was so fast for something so little it seemed to be a way to even the round. I did not like how one sided the ref seemed to me.
When Haney went down in the 7th, at 1:30, the angle of the camera wasn’t where i could see if it was a punch. The other at 1:08 was a push. The first knockdown at 2:14 was legit. The 6th round was hard to judge. I gave it to Garcia for a 113-111 score.
Wader, good comment. While Garcia had a good start to the sixth round he bottomed out and went back to retreating the remainder of the round. Haney didn’t land much but he kept coming forward. His two and a half minutes of solid work far outweighs the brief 20 seconds where Garcia was flurrying. So if you score that round for Haney you have a 112-112 draw, which is what Chris Mannix and the third judge had. And that is the point I am trying to make….all everyone wants to talk about is knockdown this and knockdown that…knockdown, knockdown, knockdown. They forget that aside of that, Garcia didn’t do anything else of note. I think it is totally ridiculous for him to suggest the referee should have stopped the fight. No Ryan, learn how to actually use your speed and power properly and then it won’t be the referee SHOULD stop the fight, it’ll be the referee HAS to stop the fight. I still scored 113–111 for Haney. Ryan blew it when he failed to capitalize on multiple occasions to force a stoppage. And being so inactive in 8 of the rounds cost him as far as I am concerned.
I’LL COMMENT WHEN THE VADA RESULTS COME BACK
Thank you for not stopping the fight it made the beating worse. I was reminded of Manny vs Rios, Manny said the fight would go the distance, I will beat him and cause pain for 12 rounds, NO KO.
Ref had a bad night. He hadn’t noticed Haney clinching all night? Reminded me of Klitschko. He also helped Haney numerous occasions.
I am trying to figure out Garcia’s next step:
1) Put in the extra work and make 140 for a big rematch against Haney?; or
2) Move to 147 and work his way towards a high profile fight?
I believe Garcia should elect to make 140 and have a HUGE money rematch against Haney. I am not sure if Garcia can handle the dogs at 147 (mentally), but you never know.
I prefer to see Garcia in a Winky Wright position and not in a Philly Shell position. I wonder if Garcia goes to a Philly Shell to reestablish his mental control/thoughts/confidence?.
The referee was protecting his “brother” to much
Another racist “brother” who claimed he could`nt be beat by a white boy, just got beat by a white boy 😉
The foul-mouthed ignoramus Garcia was allowed to come into this fight overweight, and he still couldn’t definitely knock his smaller opponent out. So unsure of himself and insecure about his chances against Haney at 140, he had to come in at 150+. He’s pathetic. All hype and flimflam, and certainly not the “face of boxing”.
I don’t think Haney was prepared to face a junior middleweight, and take that jr middle left hook, but he survived. For me, Ryan gets no credit because of his unfair weight advantage. He still remains overrated. He’s not a champion and should be nowhere near the top 20 P4P.
The evil cabal Ryan is speaking against is insidious with tentacles everywhere.
The fight was very difficult to referee.
Both were holding excessively.
Ryan with his defense turning sideways
This fight reminds me of Crawford vs Spence. No matter what. Spence/ Haney could not hurt their opponents
I complained about the ref a time or two. I felt like he was trying to give Haney time to recover and was getting in the way of the action. I disagree that he should have stopped the fight. Its not like Haney wasn’t throwing punches. Ryan likely has Haney’s number stylistically. Its going to be interesting to see if this new confidence will lead Ryan to a world title or a fight against Cruz. Ryan said he physically can’t go lower than 140, so either these other guys are willing to fight him at a catchweight or he’ll have to move up. As for Haney, this loss has probably given the Cruz team the confidence they can pull it off as well considering Cruz has power and he likes to pressure. 140 is on fire.
Haney walked (was not carried) out of the ring still the “Champ”. Haney made weight, the most important part of the parties signed contract. This fight should be recorded as a “ modern” exhibition. The heavier, stronger fighter won this exhibition. The bottom line.
haney needs leg work and new trainer if he wants a rematch 3 knockdowns and you lose the fight garcia is got quick hands but unpredictable
In over 40 years of following boxing, I don’t recall anything quite like this. I was convinced that Garcia should not be fighting as his pre-fight behaviour was truly disturbing. To deliberately miss the weight is unprofessional and reinforced my view (he would lose badly). However, his conduct served to disrupt Haney who was not on form and susceptible to Ryan’s power that became more pronounced as the fight progressed. A remarkable result and I hope the rediculous build-up (to this fight) does not become the norm for Garcia’s fights.
Novus fan here. I feel that the 3 1/2 lb weigh in miss is very much less significant than the win. Garcia payout to Haney and not being awarded the title was the justified penalty. Not making the contracted weight not very professional, but, Haney took the fight and lost. If it were a heavyweight contest the difference would be laughed at.
Haney like all of us ( well most ) got played into thinking Garcia didn’t give a shit, he did. There are killers in that Div. that can crack and they will go for that chin, look all fighters lose, but when that chin gets a crack in it they’ll be like sharks around blood, to Haney’s credit he fought back the best he could.
Absolute s… decision for Mccomb, he deserved to win the fight. Another bad decision in the US for the visiting fighter, that’s why they are losing fans.
Kudos to both these guys, they both fought their hearts out. The right man won but haney never laid down. 2 warriors
I agree with Garcia, that fight should have been stopped. Haney wasnt looking right after the 2nd knockdown.